Several counterpoints: 1. Mosheh was (to the people) Elohim's mouthpiece or the word of YHWH (just as Yeshua is the Word). Mosheh ruled supreme over Israel and yet we see in Exodus 18 that he is sharing the authority over Yisrael with many people in order to lighten the burden. If Yeshua is truly a prophet like Mosheh, then He too will share in His reign while retaining the ultimate authority.
2. In Exodus 19:4, YHWH tells Yisrael that He bore them on eagle's wings out of Egypt and yet we know from all the previous account that they did not ride on eagle's wings, they walked. So this so-called rapture could very well be poetic language which is simply referring to the physical second exodus. Using this theory, it makes more sense when the Scriptures tell us that the dead will rise first. If there was a catching up into heaven, why would it matter if the dead rose first? If it is referring to an earthly exodus, then it makes sense that the dead rise first and join in the journey to the land.
3. Within Judaism before Yeshua's time there existed the idea of two Messiah's, Messiah ben Yosef and Messiah ben David. We know Yeshua actually fulfills both roles: Messiah ben Yosef (suffering servant) at His first coming and Messiah ben David (Kingly)at His second coming which is why at His return He comes in a Kingly fashion.
4. Hosea 1: Democratic appointment is not what YHWH ever does, His way is divine appointment. Jeremiah 30: "raise up" is 'qum' (H4965) which figuratively can mean "confirm, decree, ordain, rear up, etc.". Thus contextually it means that David will be brought into power over them.
5. In Zechariah 3:8, YHWH is not talking to Messiah Yeshua, Yehoshua was the High Priest in Israel at that time. This is not referring to a different Messiah.
While I could be wrong, it feels that these passages are being squeezed into a theory instead of the theory being extrapolated out. Prophecies in scripture often have two or more fulfillments (for example the abomination of desolation) so I believe it is likely that much of Revelation will be repeated at the end of the 1000 years.
One simple way to prove that Yeshua is returning prior to the millennium is in Revelation 19:11-21: Yeshua comes from heaven on a white horse arrayed for battle. He fights the nations and the beast (Rev 19:19) and afterwards throws them into the lake of fire where they remain for the 1000 years that Satan is locked in the bottomless pit.
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Several counterpoints:
1. Mosheh was (to the people) Elohim's mouthpiece or the word of YHWH (just as Yeshua is the Word). Mosheh ruled supreme over Israel and yet we see in Exodus 18 that he is sharing the authority over Yisrael with many people in order to lighten the burden. If Yeshua is truly a prophet like Mosheh, then He too will share in His reign while retaining the ultimate authority.
2. In Exodus 19:4, YHWH tells Yisrael that He bore them on eagle's wings out of Egypt and yet we know from all the previous account that they did not ride on eagle's wings, they walked. So this so-called rapture could very well be poetic language which is simply referring to the physical second exodus. Using this theory, it makes more sense when the Scriptures tell us that the dead will rise first. If there was a catching up into heaven, why would it matter if the dead rose first? If it is referring to an earthly exodus, then it makes sense that the dead rise first and join in the journey to the land.
3. Within Judaism before Yeshua's time there existed the idea of two Messiah's, Messiah ben Yosef and Messiah ben David. We know Yeshua actually fulfills both roles: Messiah ben Yosef (suffering servant) at His first coming and Messiah ben David (Kingly)at His second coming which is why at His return He comes in a Kingly fashion.
4. Hosea 1: Democratic appointment is not what YHWH ever does, His way is divine appointment. Jeremiah 30: "raise up" is 'qum' (H4965) which figuratively can mean "confirm, decree, ordain, rear up, etc.". Thus contextually it means that David will be brought into power over them.
5. In Zechariah 3:8, YHWH is not talking to Messiah Yeshua, Yehoshua was the High Priest in Israel at that time. This is not referring to a different Messiah.
While I could be wrong, it feels that these passages are being squeezed into a theory instead of the theory being extrapolated out. Prophecies in scripture often have two or more fulfillments (for example the abomination of desolation) so I believe it is likely that much of Revelation will be repeated at the end of the 1000 years.
One simple way to prove that Yeshua is returning prior to the millennium is in Revelation 19:11-21: Yeshua comes from heaven on a white horse arrayed for battle. He fights the nations and the beast (Rev 19:19) and afterwards throws them into the lake of fire where they remain for the 1000 years that Satan is locked in the bottomless pit.
Shalom,
Ryan
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